Is a Harley Davidson Truly Made in America?

This discussion always comes up in a forum somewhere across the Internet. It came up again this morning in a blog . The blogger listed out...

This discussion always comes up in a forum somewhere across the Internet. It came up again this morning in a blog. The blogger listed out several parts that she feels certain is made foreign countries.

While I'm sure that several HD parts are indeed made in other countries, the fact is that there is very little of anything that is 100% made in America. The blogger notes that HD speedometers are made somewhere else. But a speedometer consists of several components. A company that builds speedometers get their parts from somewhere else also.

But I think however, that when it comes to "made in America" what we're really talking about is who is getting our money. I'd rather have my money going to a company that employs Americans in some capacity. And that's the case with Harley Davidson.

I noted earlier that Honda and Yamaha announced plans to have more of their motorcycles built in China. I know this is all economics and is about keeping prices competitive. But when someone tries to tell you that your Harley is actually built overseas, the point is that Americans still benefit from the sales of HD bikes.

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  1. While it’s true that America, the country, benefits from the sale of Harley Davidson Motorcycles, the same can be said of all motorcycles, regardless of where they’re manufactured.

    Motorcycles made on foreign soil are subject to a tariff upon entry into the United States. Then there are the people who make a living by unloading those motorcycles from the ship. Transporting them to locations all over the country also generates revenue that goes directly into the pocket of Americans. There are dealerships who sell these machines and service technicians who work on them. Let us also not forget the companies who make after market parts for all those metric bikes. It’s a multi-billion dollar industry with most of the money staying right here in America.

    Companies like Honda are finding it advantageous to manufacturer some of its bikes here in the United States. With 8 plants and over 20,000 employees, a very large amount of cash flows directly into the pockets of Americans in the form of wages and benefits. By September of 2003, Honda had made a capitol investment of $4 billion dollars right here in the US.

    It would be impossible for Harley Davidson to keep up with the demand for motorcycles in this country if it was the sole source, and millions of American riders would be unable to enjoy the open road. The sale of these foreign motorcycles places much needed dollars into the pockets of Americans.

    Metric bikes have extremely high quality and value for the dollar. They’re more affordable to the masses in comparison to Harley Davidson and offer a very large variety in style.

    I personally ride a 2000 Yamaha Royal Star Boulevard and am the author of the blog you referenced above (although I’m a “he” and not a “she”).

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  2. What a great response, Parsons. Unbelievably, people are still easily manipulated by the Harley marketing geniuses. I just got tired of getting into this discussion with people who are otherwise...smarter in their everyday lives. Of course, the blank stares you get when you state the facts is priceless. Unfortunately it is almost always followed by some accusation of unpatriotism.

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  3. here's a good article on CNN illustrating the economic impact of Honda in Ohio:

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/01/auto.main/index.html

    Honda purchases $12 billion from American suppliers of parts and materials annually and has invested $6 billion in Ohio.

    Harley Davidson makes less than $6 billion in total revenue per year, and what fraction of that is purchases from American suppliers? - Obviously they put far less money into the hands of Americans than does Honda.

    If feeding the families of blue-collar America is patriotic then buy a Honda.

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  4. While on a trip to the Amazon, we flew into Manaus, Brazil, which I have to say is one of the poorest cities I have every seen, people were living in cardboard boxes on the "filthy" streets. We boarded a boat to take us to the eco-lodge we were staying at and along the way, our Brazilian guide pointed out this huge mansion that was situated on the Amazon River. He told us that it belonged to the mayor of the city and so did the yacht docked behind the house. Apparently his pay is not very much, about what a teacher would make here in the U.S., so we were a little curious as to how he made his money. The guide then told us that Harley Davidson had a big factory there and that the people who worked there got a ridiculously low wage, but the mayor, got some kind of incintive for making Harley Davidson welcome in his rural town. We saw children with tummies swollen from worms they ingested drinking contaminated water, a man dying of gangrene from a fresh water stingray wound, and people living along the river and tributaries that had shacks with some walls made of tarps only. Yet the mayor of the nearest city lived in a manner better than myself and most
    Americans. I was dissapointed to here that this was mostly due to his side income from H.D., per our guide mind you.

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  5. no its not, my husband bought me a ring for valentines day it said on the box made in indonesia needless to say he didnt see it til i caught it now 3 weeks later its bending on the band and the stones are falling out.needless to say we were going to buy 2 new harleys but because of this I will buy 2 new hondas.Harley was the one true made in america store we truly loved but because of this incident I will no longer purchase anything from harley.I am club affiliated and will warn all fellow members of this incident as well as other biker clubs BEWARE OF OVERSEAS HARLEY MERCHANDISE

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  6. HARLEY JEWLRY BEING MADE IN INDONESIA AND TEARING UP AFTER ONLY THREE WEEKS

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  7. Harley Davidson is a f*ckin' joke! Period! Waaaay overpriced and waaaay overhyped. Kinda like the U.S. itself!

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  8. If you want to still buy American, buy Victory. They are built in Minnesota and are much more reliable than Harleys are. Of course the Harley riders call Victory "American rice", but I think that it is out of pure jealousy. Victory is more reliable and better built. Yes it is a metric bike but I think the Japanese have done some things right.

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  9. Forks made in Japan, Wheels cast in Japan, Electronics made overseas or mexico, Japan showed them how to cast an engine that didn't leak oil, If it says American made it should be American Made,PS all those fine Genuine HD aftermarket parts MADE IN CHINA WHAT a Rip

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  11. I'm so sorry that just because you cant afford a Harley,that you must justify the fact that you bought a rice burner. Do you have any facts to back up your statements. I could say that the parts were made on the moon if I wanted to. Doesnt make it true.

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  12. Look at the boxes your Harley Parts come in or the tags on all your Americcan Made Harley Clothing or Accessories. They ALL SAY Made in CHINA. DUMBASS. Continue to buy American Made Harley and Finance China.

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  13. Did all you American Made Harley Davidson onwers know that your stock shocks are made by Showco, a fully owned subsidary of Honda Motorcycle. The tires are either Germin made or Japanese made and the oil is produce by a mid eastern company. So how can anyone say that Harley davidson is American Made? What losers you Harley Owners are. Spend 20k plus on a bike that is only half as technologically advanced as a Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki or Ducati for double to triple the price. Oh well, like they say... A Sucker is born every second. And Harley Owners are the biggest....

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  14. All I ever hear is that Yamaha and Honda are rice burners and how Harleys hold there value better, and they are right you pay 24,k+ for a Harley gives 12-24 mounts warranty verses 16,k for a Yamaha and they give a 5 year unlimited mile warrantee. I will give Them there ego thoughts that Harley holds there resale value by $5k shoot they need to visit Jethrow Bodine any fool knows that if you pay as much as that upfront difference it comes back but I see so many Harleys at Yamaha dealers being worked on it makes me wonder.

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  15. you can say all you want about the money they spend here (honda) and the like but the profits still goto to a country that bombed us . In 10 years when people seem to "forget " about 9/11 people will start driving cars or bikes made by the taliban if they were to make them.

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  16. You are all a bunch of retards. Harley, Honda, BMW, Kawasaki, Ducati, etc. Who freakin' cares what you ride? I like em all.

    For the moron who said America was over-hyped...blow me.

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  17. Like most Americans, I find myself underemployed, overworked and underpaid. I own a Honda, not out of non-patriotism but out of necessity. I need value for my money which I get from my bike. I find the less I want, the less I need. I don't need to pay out the wazoo for the 'prestige' of riding a Harley. I got the wind in my face and plenty of cash left in my pocket.

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  18. Harley's retain there value cause a sucker is born every minute that will pay it.

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  19. Well just look at ANY Harley made the last quite a few years, you will not see a (Made in USA) tag, by law, you must have I think at least 50% US made parts to be allowed to have a made in usa tag. Harleys do not have that tag, they tried to put it on a few years back and were sued. now the say were final assembled proudly in the usa by union workers or something like that, Respectable sources tell me its about 85% foreign parts and there union workers keep getting smaller and they hire more temp workers, They are owner by all different funding companies, some foreign including Davis Funds. Personally I dont care, it does piss me off when I here all this crap from Harley owners when I drive my MADE IN USA Honda VTX from Ohio

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  20. Joe, Are you retarded?

    joe said...
    you can say all you want about the money they spend here (honda) and the like but the profits still goto to a country that bombed us .

    (WE BOMBED THEM YOU FOOLISH FOOL)



    In 10 years when people seem to "forget " about 9/11 people will start driving cars or bikes made by the taliban if they were to make them.

    (WHAT DOES HONDA HAVE TO DO WITH THE TALABAN)
    GERMANY KILLED MANY MORE AMERICANS YOU FREAKING IDIOT THAN JAPAN AND I AM GERMAN,

    You are a stupid stupid man, for one thing biker clubs started after WW2 with the biggest condition of no German or other non USA made bikes allowed. it was the german bikes that were used so much in the war, Japan really didnt start making then till afterwards

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  21. Frank Patterson7/30/2009 08:44:00 AM

    To the fool that said we bombed japan do you rember dec.7 1941? I guess not. And if you ever rode a harley you would know what a real Motorcycle felt like. Harley like all companys needs to get parts where they can for the price that they can stay in biz. I see all you fools riding v twins made in japen that shows me that you wanted a harley but were not enough of a man to buy one now you have to justify your poor choice. because you got made fun of or if you ride around me your jap loving ASSkicked. see my name i,am not scared like you! that must be because you are Pussy Didn't you understand he was referring to Japen sneak attack on us like the 9/11. If it was not for the genrosity usa the japs would still be in the stone age. You are a dumb ass

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  22. To the Japan bombing: Yes, they did sneak attack our Naval fleet at Pearl Harbor (which was not part of America in 1941) and it was an attack on our Navy, mostly. But, we got the little bastards back less than 4 years later. So, I think us and Japan are fairly even on the "who-bombed-who" list. As for 9/11, it was a terrorist attack with the sole intention of killing civilians, a good bit worse than what Japan did to us, which was still really bad, they deserved everything they got from us. We should have launched a more focused attack at the Taliban and hung that Osama bastard. And look now, Japan is a major player in the world economy. I'll bet that most of the electronics in all your houses are Japanese. In fact, most of the technology you own was either developed or made better by the Japanese: computers, cell phones, TVs, DVD players, CD players, MP3 players...I wish Harley's were cheaper and had some true real American competition. I think it would drive up their quality and bring down their prices. But they have none and rely on people wanting to "buy American" so Harley can have very high prices because no American competition. Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

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  23. To the Japan bombing: Yes, they did sneak attack our Naval fleet at Pearl Harbor (which was not part of America in 1941) and it was an attack on our Navy, mostly. But, we got the little bastards back less than 4 years later. So, I think us and Japan are fairly even on the "who-bombed-who" list. As for 9/11, it was a terrorist attack with the sole intention of killing civilians, a good bit worse than what Japan did to us, which was still really bad, they deserved everything they got from us. We should have launched a more focused attack at the Taliban and hung that Osama bastard. And look now, Japan is a major player in the world economy. I'll bet that most of the electronics in all your houses are Japanese. In fact, most of the technology you own was either developed or made better by the Japanese: computers, cell phones, TVs, DVD players, CD players, MP3 players...I wish Harley's were cheaper and had some true real American competition. I think it would drive up their quality and bring down their prices. But they have none and rely on people wanting to "buy American" so Harley can have very high prices because no American competition. Anyways, that's my 2 cents.

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  24. A fool and his money are soon parted. Since the 60's Harey Daniel-San has used a TON of Asian parts. Now more than ever. Just look at the labels ....

    Chinese chrome, Japanese (Honda) made shocks, carburetors, controls, speedos, Indonesian seats, Pakistan and Chinese clothes, seals and gastkets japanese, chinese wheels, lights from Hong Kong, "genuine Harley parts" with "made in china and japan" labels, chinese harley riding boots, ....must i continue?

    Its over, you are riding Harey-Daniel-San. Wanna feed american workers? Buy Honda, Kawasaki, yamaha, Suzuki. They bring way more money to American families than that one little brand Harey.

    The chrome is chinese and put on in the US.

    BTW,I COULD get a Harey, but why? I choose Kawasaki, and keep the money in my bank account. I also have helped two broken down Harleys on the road in the last 3 months. I dont have issues with them, as they angrily do (some are very cool, though) with my bike.

    A fool and his money are soon parted.

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  25. You know, if you ride on two wheels then it shouldn't matter. Yes, Harley has some foreign parts in it and some parts assembled in foreign countries but that's how they have to survive. Harley has union workers which is good but bad in a way. We have to pay for those union workers to do the same thing day in and day out for years all the while they still get pay raises based on union contracts. Most people don't realize that Honda America has factories that make motorcycles here in America just the same way Harley does. With some parts being imported from Japan and some parts being manufactured here in America. The Honda Rune is a perfect example, although that bike was to much for all and didn't make it, it was made in America. It's probably one of Honda's bike that was acutually thought up here in America. The Goldwing, the most popular touring bike on the road, is made in America by American workers but some parts are shipped in from Japan. It's all what you perfer which makes us all Americans and which makes America great. For anyone to believe a machine is 100% made in American is just blind on purpose and in denial. Heck, the American flag has been made in Communist China! Love to ride and love what you ride, who gives a hoot who made two wheels. I ride a Honda and I gave money to the American workers who assembled my bike out the box, who financed my bike, who talked to me about my bike, who cleaned my bike, who insures my bike, who inspects my bike yearly, who works on my bike...need I go on with how many Americans are making my money off of my Japanese bike long after Honda Japan gets their share of my $8,000?

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  26. Bought a Harley 4 years ago... just had to have a Harley, and nothing else. Brand new, straight off the show room floor... couldn't believe that for all the details and such the weld jobs sucked... most splattered looking crap I'd ever seen in my life. I worked at a mining equipment manufacturer prior and we had higher standards for appearances of weld than that.
    Now for the bike... rode it the first few weeks and had a standard, run of the mill pair of biker boots (the square toe variety that everybody and their brother wears) and the metal brads on the sides started to scratch the chrome of the derby cap... which I thought sucked because I was wearing the most common, base variety of boots you could possibly have. Went to the Harley Davidson shop and bought another cap (with details that wouldn't get scratched as easy).... paid the upgrade price... Authorized HD product, at an HD shop. Got home, opened it up... behold, a myth shattered... Made In Taiwan stamped on the back.
    Started taking the Harley out... kept having problems with one thing after another... often the plugs going out (these too were HD authorized plugs... like an idiot I'd pay two or three times as much for them as I could have paid for the standard equivalent plugs at the auto store). Several times my "freedom of riding on the open road" was a limp back to the home garage on one functioning but sputtering cylinder to replace the plugs or check for other problems.
    After the first 200 miles I noticed a disgusting drip on the back of my spokes.... the bike was leaking fluid. Called the shop that I bought it from, they were very casual and unconcerned.. "yeah, they do that from time to time, nothing really major though. If you ride it up one day we might try to look at it"

    I stopped riding pretty much altogether.... every time I went out on my "Ride Of American Freedom" I had to make sure I had the right tools in my saddlebag along with extra spark plugs and my cellphone as I was probably going to break down. Ride of freedom with a cellphone in case it needs to be towed home.... hmmm....
    The bike was pretty, mind you, except for those horrible looking welds... made a nice pretty display in the garage...
    I eventually sold it and have been considering doing what I should have done in the first place... saved my money and bought an old but reliable used Honda Shadow. It might be "rice" but a least I could have my "Ride Of Freedom" without worrying about breaking down on the side of the road or what other high dollar part I'm going to have to buy next week...

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  27. It is a fact that some Harley parts are made in Japan. Look at the mufflers, look at the horn, check out the carbs on older Harleys.

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  28. Have you noticed that the majority of the gripes on this page are filled with bad grammer and mispellings. None of you seem to bright. Although I have to say owning a Harley is great because I don't have to worry about showing up to a ride or function and being surrounded by a bunch of young punks more conscerned with showing off than with safety. I drive Honda cars and I do not have a problem admitting that, but I will never buy a honda bike even though I no they are of higher quality. This is because I just don't like all the kids that ride them. That's right, I'm the guy who doesn't wave to you.

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  29. Before commenting on grammar (note the correct spelling in my post), you may want to run a quick spell check on your post, especially when you are commenting on the intelligence of others. Spell check however, will not catch blatant misuse of words such as your sentence containing "even though I no they are higher quality". I think the word you were looking for there is "know". Better luck next time, you are officially not too bright (again note the correct use of "too").

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  30. Harleys have the same reputation Down Under... Have several mates who bought new Harleys... all of them have been repeatedly back in the dealer to have parts replaced... wheel bearing going, followed by the whole wheel(buckled), electrics stuffed, leaking oil (which even amongst HOGS is considered normal). It seems to me that unless you are prepared to spent $30k plus on a Harley you are getting a poor imitation... and even then the quality doesn't come remotely close to any of the other mainstream manufacturers... This is all acknowledged quite openly by most Harley enthusiasts down under but doesn't seem to harm their popularity... they are the most popular bike in my area. The local dealer like to say this is the Harley capital of Australia...more here per head of population than anywhere else and our economy is doing real well. Most Aussies are now going to the States for holidays because it is so cheap.

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  31. Oh well, you know what they say, there are those who ride Harleys, and there are those who want to ride harleys.

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  32. Oh well, you know what they say. There are those who used to ride Harley's and there are those who still do but wish they never wasted their money.

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  33. I don't know what all the fuss is about. Harley riders ride Harleys because that is what they choose. It's their choice. Nothing wrong with that! If you like Hondas, so be it! I have had over 10 bikes in my life, several Hondas, a BSA, Kawasaki and Harleys. I currently ride a 2008 Harley Softail Custom that I purchased new and I love it. But I loved my Hondas when I had them too. It's all about our freedom of choice and we shouldn't be putting others down for their choice. Have a nice day and ride safely everyone. It's our freedom and love for the open road, whatever our choice is.

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  34. 95% of all HARLEY DAVIDSON mag wheels are forign made and stamped on the inside of the wheel "MADE IN AUSTRALIA" this is on all 9 spoke wagon wheels. But beware the HD DEALER sells right out of their HD catalog a chrome 9 spoke wagon wheel that is stamped "MADE IN CHINA". Thats right chinese metal & chinese chrome,crap,crap, crap. The HD ROCKER wheel is stamped "MADE IN ITALY" The sportster, dyna, duece, street glide, road glide, lowider, fat bob, v rod, fatboys, roadkings, ultras, say "MADE IN AUSTRALIA" and have since 1984 that i know of. Now there are wheels on a few sreaming eagle fatboys that have a spun alum wheel that say CENTERLINE this is "MADE IN THE USA", ALCO PENNSYLVINA where the plant is. the screaming eagle was a limted edition and only makes up about 4% of what HARLEY DAVIDSON sells.

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  35. So what all you nice honda riders are saying is all hondas are 100% made in America? Their wheels, their shocks? Their electronics? Because through out this entire ordeal all of you non biker mf's have talked about how Harley's not made in USA. Well are your hondas 100% made in the USA? Are they? Or are they not! Make up your stupid mind!

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  36. Johnnymac, no one is saying Honda's are 100% made in America. I just reviewed this entire blog and nowhere does anyone say that. However, people are saying that Harley's are not 100% made in America. There are a lot of Harley riders that swear up and down their bikes are 100% American made when in fact it isn't. So I don't know where you get off calling every Honda rider a non-rider and a MF. As usual, as seen in this blog, it sounds like you are just another ticked off Harley rider. Just be happy you ride cause when you're doing a faceplant at 70mph, it doesn't matter what you ride from that point on.

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  37. You know, majority of Harley Davidson's revenue does not come from the sale of it's bikes, but from the sales of it's merchandise. And just in case some you haven't noticed, a lot of their merchandise has "Made in China" on the tag. So it doesn't matter if you buy a Harley with foreign parts on it, their merchandise, Yamaha, Suzuki or Honda, either way, a foreign country has made money off of Americans. Stop being so pissed off everyone!

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  38. Tone Parsons said it true...just in case y'all forgot please read the first blog entry. Thanks Tone, you hit the nail on the head. How about everyone stop buying Honda, Yamaha or Suzuki's and let's see how bad our economy goes into a slump. It'll be worse than most think. Harley is already expensive but now they would raise the price due to no competition but then would have to lay off more employees because people really wouldn't be able to afford the "American Dream". Oh yeah, and the retail side of Harley would have to go as well because most of that is made in China, Taiwan, Indonisia, etc. Now let's see how Harley would survive. Please read Tone Parsons entry and if you're still in denial then you can keep your $25,000 American Dream. I'll use my $25,000 to make payments on my house cause a bike doesn't provide shelter.

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  39. wow i didn't realize that so many people don't have a life and need to complain.this goes for both sides of the argument.yes i cannt spell nor am i smart just an average american wasting time before work.who the fuck cares?if we did care this country would not be in the state that it is.i say lets all go riding!thats what really matters.i'll be the one riding my pride and joy the most reliable bike on the road (in my opinnion) ny 1972 shovelhead that i personaly rebilt over 20 years ago.it has takin everthing i have thrown at it.i even put it 7 feet up in a tree and than roed it home from the hamptons all twisted up(when the track was still open).man its a great bike and it feels like a part of me when i ride almost invicable (spelt wrong).man the feeling i get when riding out ways where i think the parts where made.as far getting a new bike goes and havin problems with it sorry to hear that,but they all have their issues(spelt wrong?)weather it be on 2 wheels or 4.well its 5am and i hve to start workin.
    Joe

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  40. Just read an article in Cycle World that HD will begin production of a bike in Japan to be sold in the US. Sell-out! Its all about the money people.

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  41. Two words for the Harley riders, ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!

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  42. IDONTCAREWHATYOURIDE!3/31/2010 10:49:00 PM

    I ride a Harley and I'm better than you. I ride a Honda and I'm better than you. I ride a Yamaha and I'm better than you. I ride a Suzuki and I'm better than you. This forum is filled with high school level minded losers who try so hard to be hardcore and I hate to say it but it seems like Harley riders try the hardest. Give it a break and stop trying to prove to the internet that you are a gangster. Leave the "big balls" attitude at the doors of your high school graduation cause it doesn't matter. Shut up and ride your damn HarleyHondaYamahaSuzuki bike kids!

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  43. I've had two bikes; A 95 Honda 1100 ACE--first big bike that I learned to ride on. For about a year, I borrowed a BMW r1100s sportbike but longed for a cruiser. The one bike that always moved me was the Kawasaki Nomad, 99 through 08 models. The shapes, the hard bags, the overall stance, the color combinations. Something about it just spoke to me. I finally bought a 99 green on green nomad from Tucson last year and I've had a grin on my face ever since. My favorite Harley is the Road King classic and perhaps the Softail Deluxe. What I'd love to do is get a mid-50s Harley and restore it. Gorgeous bikes. I remember a trip up through Silver City, NM-- bunch of us on our metrics stopped at a little ma and pa store for gas and a scrappy, leather-bound fellow rode up on a late 40s Harely-- just beat to hell but running fine. He got off and said "Howdy boys!" and we all talked about bikes for about an hour. The point is this: we live in a country with choices-- we can buy whatever we want from all over the world. I can't afford a Harley but if I could, choosing between my Nomad and Classic would be a tough one— Ride what moves you. It's all about bikes and the road, not about where, why, who and the money. If we forget that, then we've forgotten why we started riding in the first place.

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  44. Good god, maybe if you idiots learned about grammar, and how to spell... someone might have a intellectual conversation here....Morons

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  45. Anonymous 4/02/2010: you need to capitalize "God" and you need to use "an" instead of "a" before the word "intellectual"-- any time the following word begins with a vowel, you must use "an" —with some exceptions to consonants that "sound" like vowels. Also, no need to capitalize the word "morons" as it follows an ellipsis rather than a period. I also suggest you use a comma after the word "spell"; this is a frequent comma-splice error.

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  46. I ride a Harley, not because of the American dream, but because of my love of the machine. I ride a 98 dyna super glide and have done little in the way of maintenance over the years. I ride the Harley because of the way it makes me feel. Isn't that what it's really all about. If a honda, or whatever, gives that feeling ride it.
    If the old lady gives you that feeling, ride her too. Ride hard...die free all my brothers.

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  47. GOTTA LOVE THE HARLEY PEOPLE, MOST OF WHICH ARE BIG BLOWHARDS. UP UNTIL 2 YEARS AGO I RODE A ROAD KING AND SO DID MY MAIN RIDING PARTNER. IN 40 YEARS I HAVE OWNED DOZENS OF MOTORCYLES OF VARIOUS BRANDS. INDIANS, BSA, TRIUMP, HARLEY, HONDA, YAMAHA AND SO ON. TO A REAL BIKER IT'S NOT WHAT YOU RIDE, BUT THAT YOU RIDE. ASIDE FROM THE 1% ER'S, MOST HARLEY RIDERS I MET ARE POSERS AND THOSE THAT MAKE THE SNIDE LITTLE COMMENTS ON ANY OTHER MAKES ARE THE WORST. I RIDE WHAT I LIKE AND PRICE IS NOT THE ISSUE NOR DO I HAVE TO RIDE A HARLEY TO VALIDATE WHO I AM. MANY OF THESE SO CALLED HARLEY BIKERS HAVE NEVER OWNED A BIKE BEFORE, HAVE LITTLE EXPERIENCE ON LARGE DISPLACEMENT BIKES. MANY ARE A MENACE TO EVEN RIDE NEAR. THE TYPICAL HARLEY RIDER I SEE THESE DAYS HAVE THEIR NICE NEW SHINY LEATHERS WITH HARLEY INSIGNIA PLASTERED HEAD TO TOE. I GOT RID OF MY ROAD KING BECAUSE I SIMPLY FOUND A BETTER BIKE, THAT DOES NOT BREAKDOWN EVERY OTHER RIDE, AVERAGE RIDE IS 800 MILES IN A TWO TO THREE DAY PERIOD, IT HANDLES BETTER AND IS FASTER THEN A 2009 ROAD KING OUT OF THE BOX AND MORE COMFORTABLE. I HAVE RACKED UP 27,000 MILES SINCE I BOUGHT IT AND HAS NOT BEEN BACK TO THE SHOP EXCEPT FOR OIL CHANGES AND INSPECTION. IT IS ONE OF 4 BIKES I OWN. YES I DO HAVE AN AMERICAN BIKE, A 2000 INDIAN CHIEF, BUT THE YAMAHA STRATOLINER IS SUPERIOR IN ALMOST EVERYWAY TO THE CHIEF OR THE ROAD KING.BUT THE BIG MOUTHS WOULD'NT KNOW THAT IN MOST CASES BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER RIDDEN ANY THING OTHER THEN A HARLEY. I GUESS MY POINT IS IT NOT THE BIKE THAT MAKES YOU A BIKER, IT'S TIME IN THE SADDLE THAT MAKES YOU A TRUE BIKER NO MATTER WHAT YOU RIDE. MY BUDDY AND I HAVE BEEN RIDING TOGETHER 40 YEARS SINCE WE MET EACH OTHER AS US MARINES IN A LITTLE PLACE CALLED VIETNAM, IT'S NEVER BEEN ABOUT THE BIKE, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT THE RIDE. AS IT SHOULD BE.

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  48. Frank, my 2x deployed 22 year-old United States Marine rides a Yamaha, like his Vietnam-era dad, and his Mom, who's the only thing meaner than a US Marine...gonna call them names?

    I don't need to ride a Harley or a Vioctory to pretend I'm a "real" American...

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  49. Who the hell cares what bike you have, I think the topic was are HD's truly made in America. How the hell did it get to WW2 and 911? What a bunch of braindead, ADD fools we have reading these articles. And a whole lot of hate going on. Chill out

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  50. Guess what? I ride a 1981 Yamaha XJ650 that I bought for $300 about five years ago. It had 25K miles on the odometer. I was able to buy all the parts I needed to make it roadworthy and I've been enjoying it ever since. I have very little problems with it. Yep, a nice set of wheels that I didin't pay $20K for. Personally, if someone gave me a Harley I'd trade it for another Jap bike. I hate Harleys

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  51. Just purchased a new nightster.Love it.I looked at all kinds of bikes,kawasaki,suzuki,honda,triumph,and more.I chose harley because it looked good,and loved the way it rode.through the years I've owned honda,kawasaki,and suzuki.All good bikes.Just get the bike that makes you happy.I don't judge people by what they're riding,just have fun man!

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  52. John, I agree with your comment about riding what you like.I dont give a ***t what you ride but dont try and be a hard a** if you ride harley and think your so bad because you ride one.the last guy that gave me ***t found out that he was not a bad ass as he thought he was and all the guys who think their bad riding harleys,"get a life you morons and show your fellow Americans why we are Americans.now that being said "LETS RIDE!"

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  53. When I first started riding about 2 years ago, I bought a 2001 Goldwing GL1800A for my first bike. The guys at the shop thought I was crazy, as I had never ridden before ("You want a WHAT for your first bike!?"), and they were probably right. But, I had done a lot of research. I knew, being a packrat, that I would need a lot of cargo space. I love gadgets. Further, I have always bought my products due to numbers and reputation, and fact sheets and comparisons don't lie. I had no concern whatsoever about where the bike had come from, or with what kinds of attitudes I may have to contend. I simply wanted the numerical, statistical best, as I would probably have no second chance, and got it. I wanted to explore a lifelong dream while I still had the time.

    I took the MSF course in Lakeland and thoroughly enjoyed it. Two weeks after, I took the Wing out for a spin - or tried to. Unlike the Nighthawk I had trained on, this thing leaped ahead and parked between a small tree and my bird feeder. I had no experience with something that had over 120 pounds of torque (167.00 Nm (122.79 ft*lbs) at 4000 RPM) and well over 100 HP (119.00 HP (86.9 kW) at 5500 RPM) to the rear wheel. It took a little effort to get it out.

    I almost gave up on the dream right there, but my wife wouldn't let me, praise God. My bike and I became constant companions, to the point that I would rather ride my Wing in a hurricane than my Mercury on a sunny day. Then, late last year when I went down the side of an onramp at 60+, I thought it was over again.

    It cost around $5000 to fix the thing, but thanks to my textile clothing and helmet, I suffered only minor abrasions and a hairline fracture when I tried to break my fall. I've been hurt worse in the ring. Plus, because of the insurance, it's better than ever. I took the opportunity to upgrade a few things, and she does 0-60 in around 4 with the darkside. (Not bad for around half a ton, eh?) She's been to a few shows, too - no places yet, but patience and tasteful decoration usually pays off, I'm told.

    The concept of "who gets the money" has been on my mind of late, since it seems to be a concern to others with whom I may have to interact. Since I got my baby used, I guess Extreme Powersports in Tampa got the money, and I don't think Uncle Adolf, Admiral Tojo or Osama bin Laden has worked there. A marvelous gentleman named "Doc" Riley out in these parts has been supporting and maintaining my bike while teaching me all the ins and outs of maintenance. He showed me how to look up VIN numbers to see where your baby's born, too (mine went "goo-goo" at Marysville Ohio).

    Now I help him work on bikes in his shop, as he's getting on in years, and I get to see where a lot of the parts come from for all makes and models. We've worked on everything from HD v-twins to ninjas together and it's amazing what a huge economical machine it is that keeps these bikes running. I would suggest to flamers that they get a part-time job servicing SAE and metrics before choosing to speak. Our countries are truly interdependent, and maybe that helps keep all-out war at bay. Perhaps we can learn something there.

    When I see you out there, I'll wave. I don't care what you ride, I salute you for being brave enough to take these streets and frequently blind drivers on two wheels. You share my dangers and my joys, and if I see your bike on Doc's lift, I'll give it every ounce of love I give my own.

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  54. 75 superglide front fork had ,made in japan stamped on it... that was stock

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  55. 87% of all Harleys ever made are still on the road today!...the other 13% actually made it home.
    Hard fact...lol

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  56. Does all this shit really matter? I think it's the simply fact we ride not what we ride......live to ride, ride to live

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  57. There's more 30yr+ Harley's on the road than 30yr+ old Honda's.

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  58. Yes, there are more 30+yr old Harley's on the road than any other bikes. But remember this, most people who own those 30+ yr old Harleys have dedicaton, time and money to keep those bikes on the road. It's not because it's a better bike. Harley hasn't changed their engine for years so it was easier to find replacement parts. Other bikes, well, people buy and sell their bikes because it's just less hassle. It's hard to find parts for and old Hondas because most Jap scrap evolved their parts to make them better. Out with the old and in with the new. Harley's, well the only evolving they did for years were to rebuilt flawed parts so they were flawed anymore. And then came the Evo engines, and so on and so forth. Ride what the hell you wish, if you buy a make to make the man well buddy you have bigger issues that $23,000 can't fix.

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  59. Rode a Harley in the 80's, an XR1000, great bike, very reliable (except the bike had to be stripped and the frame repainted, no cost to me).
    These days, most of my riding is off-road, nothing hair raising, just forestry roads, jeep trails, a little single track.
    I would have considered looking at a Harley, but, unfortunately, they have nothing in their showrooms that would work for me and where I ride, not even close.
    They should expand their product lines to include non-cruisers and touring bikes, but, that might just dilute the brand.
    Harley's biggest problem is that their customer base (Baby Boomers) is aging rapidly and they're not attracting many new young customers.....

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  60. I am a 48 yr. old man whom has ridden Harley's and Jap bikes. I have been more satisfied with the four Harleys I have owned than any other bikes. It is very apparent that many on this site speak out of total ignorance about many of the bike issues. If you have always ridden a Jap bike and never a Harley then you don't know that there are no comparisons. You really can feel the cheapness and less quality bike, that the Japs build. This being said. I am not in the market for Harley's anymore. They have twice the overseas parts on them as a Victory motorcycle by Polaris. All of you people who don't buy as much American as you can are a large part of the trouble of this economy. I know you own Jap cars too. Everytime you buy overseas products you are guilty of helping to shut down our once strong manufacturing plants which do keep most of the money in the American economy. If all of you people bought American made as much so as you can. You wouldn't need to work for Jap plants here because there would be so many more
    American plants and jobs. You people who buy all of the overseas stuff are guilty like our politicians who have sold America to the highest overseas bidders. They are guilty of treason and so are you. And you should be hanged by the neck until this stuff stops. People who commit treason have been hanged all through history. Think about it next time you make a purchase

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  61. TO THE ANONYMOUS WRITER WHO WANTS TO HANG PEOPLE FOR "TREASON". Who the hell do you think you are to wish death on your fellow Americans because we don't, and can't, buy 100% American made products? If we're just as bad as the politians who sold out this country then you are just as bad as the terrorist jihadist who want our heads on a stick. I served my country with pride and I'll be damned if I'm going to let some coward tell me I'm a traitor because I choose to ride a Jap bike. I have a choice and that's what makes me an American. Go to Afghanistan and live out the dreams of not selling out, the Taliban has cut off all outside influences and look at what they have to live for. Is that the kind of country you want? Every country has foreign influences. If you go to Germany, Italy, Greece, etc. you'll see it. English is mandatory in just about every country. The world market is traded on the NYSE. But because I bought a t-shirt that was made in Taiwan I should be hanged? You sir, are an idiotic American.

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  62. I'd ride a Harley if most of the money didn't go to fat cat unions.

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  63. Amen to that Elle. Unions pay the same employee, doing the same job after 15yrs more money than a college grad working a job for 5 years. And the head of the unions? Well, they make six figures a year! Guess who pays all their tabs? We do, non-union members. I work in a factory with union workers and I'm a non-union employee and the things that I see that union workers do is just outright a waste of money. Yeah, it's good to employ more Americans but at what cost? Are you willing to get out a loan to pay for my bills? Yeah, that's the union boys and girls.

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  64. Some dumbass above commented that Harlery tires are Chinese or Japanese. The tires are Dunlops and made in the USA. No one product is entirely made in one country.

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  65. Who gives a shit what you ride! Ever notice how touchy harley riders are thow? Ever notice now bad most of them smell? seems they all try to be as bad as they can be, who cares? We all enjoy riding our bikes, lets just get along and be friendly. I have to admit I ride to far and to often to ride anything but a Goldwing. I have tried harley's, my butt is killing me after the first 200 miles.

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  66. I just started riding last year. I purchased a Honda Shadow. I did so for the fact that I could pay cash (I do not live the American Dream of financing everything), reliability and style.

    So far, all I have done to it is change the oil. My Harley owning buddies are not around to ride with me that much... bike in shop, waiting on a part, no money for gas because a payment had to be made...............

    I do not have a preference in brands at this point. I do however know a good deal, know how to compare products and strive to stay within a reasonable budget. I am going on a 2 week road trip I would not have been able to take if I bought a used Harley......... I'm just sayin'

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  67. hey frank, nice to know you had to prove your manhood through the kind of motorcycle you choose to ride... know why there is a harley dealer on every corner,,,because they need to be,you can't ride much farther without needing a repair. we ride what we ride and it is what it is

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  68. All of you have too much time on your hands!! As long as your riding nothing else matters. Get on down the road and shout up!!

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  69. Hi guys,
    Interesting reading all the comments from an Australian perspective. Harley Davidson motorcycles are actually very popular "downunder" - Our roads especially on a Sunday are crammed of the typical Harley rider living out the so called American dream. They preach individuality, freedom, and the distaste of all other brands of motorcycle ( Especially those from the land of the rising sun ) Yet come Monday morning they happily drive their Japanese car to the office, the factory or drop the kids off at school etc etc. Most Harley riders have never even swung a leg over a true performance motorcycle, yet profess to ride the very best Goddamn motorcycle ever made ! What a joke, and so gullible too, with all the aftermarket Chinese ticky tacky chrome, Chinese or Pakistan leathers / boots / fingerless gloves, Showa forks from Honda, Nippon Denso electrics from Japan, Mikuni...The list goes on. ( Check the labels on Harley accessories or aftermarket parts ) Really there is not much that can be said to be "made in America". Most of the parts on a Harley are manufactured in a third world country, and assembled in America only. Yet the gullible masses are happy to pay first world prices for a third world product. Just to buy a piece of the "American Pie" and ride into the sunset like Jack Nicholson and Henry Fonda of Easy Rider fame. Sorry to sound so cynical, but the Harley Davidson marketing men have really done a great job squeezing the $ from their target market for years. When was the last time a Harley actually won something meaningful? By the way, I have had three Harleys. I now ride a Ducati, and it proudly says on the petrol tank....Made in Italy.

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  70. Apparently, the "Proud Americans" who live and die by the HD moniker, have a literal vehicle for nationalistic fervor in a motorcycle. It's delusional to believe in technological superiority in one country alone, when in fact it's constant improvement over a collective of ideas and innovations worldwide.

    ----Harley owner

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  71. i agree with the above- suzuki sv owner.

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  72. Does anyone read the news? Honda quit making motorcycles in the U.S. last year.

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  73. I ride a Harley and I don't wave at anyone no matter what kind of bike they have, Harley or not. I ride my motorcycle to ride my motorcycle, nothing else. I'll give you a wave on one condition and that is if we rode together for a few miles. I don't care what kind of bike you have and I don't care if you care what kind of bike I have. I ride a Harley probably because that's what my dad rode and it got ingrained in me as a young child. I do not think I'm cool in any way shape or form because of the brand name on my bike. I've never cut anyone down for the type of bike they ride though I sometimes will notice if talking to a rider of a different brand of cruiser they may end up critiquing Harley. I get the feeling it's because they get snubbed by some Harley people sometimes. I tell them "have a nice day" then ride off.

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  74. I too ride a Harley. Most of my life I rode Japanese sportbikes, but one day I was at a Harley dealer with my friends and they asked me to test ride the Street Rod. I fell in love instantly.I bought it on the spot. The bike has so much character, but also so many issues compared to the Japanese bikes that I have been riding for 25 years. Still it has a ride like none other a style all it's own. It is a blast to ride. So I walk into my local Harley dealership the other day and asked if any of the clothes are made in America. The lady at the counter said not a stitch all Harley clothes are made in China, but the patches still are made in Minnisota. So what I did was buy a Vanson Leather jacket that is made right here and in America and stitched my own American made patch to the American Jacket. F*&k Harley for sending Jobs to China. And for all the crap I took for all those years for riding Japanese I tell you this. At least I was riding bikes built in the US by a free democracy and friend of the United States. I don't pretend by dressing up in Chinese (communist sweat shop) made clothes pretending to patriotic. I once wanted to ride with a group of guys when I had my Japanese bike. One of the guys said if you don't ride American go home. They did not let me ride with them. I sat there and watched them ride off with their Chinese Harley Gear and their partially chinese made Harley's and said man it would break their haeart's if they only knew that Harley sold them out years ago.

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  75. I've owned a BMW R900, a Suzuki M109 and currently in the process of buying a Harley Touring Street Glide. I don't care where the bike is made or what it says on the frame or under the seat. The "buy American" cry is almost impossible to adhere to. Harley riders that believe they're special are slowly joining the realm of reality and realizing they're not. I ride with the Patriot Guard Riders that escort fallen hero's and returning warriors home when they arrive at the airports. We provide funeral escorts for all veterans nationwide. Most of the riders ride Harleys, but there are a bunch of Honda's, Yamaha's, Suzuki's and other foreign bikes. I've never heard anyone belittle or talk down about a non Harley rider. And there are non veterans riding with us. We have enough problems in our country to be calling each other MF's or suggestions that someone be hanged. If we see a rider down or broke down, some of us always stop and help, it don't matter what he or she is riding and I know for a fact any of you would do the same. Short of being a hells angel or mongol, We're all just riders trying to enjoy being in the wind and being free. Ride what you want, respect others and help if needed..but mainly....be safe and proud to be an American....

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  76. I like many other on this page wish u could go out and buy a bike that is actually made in the USA. Unfortunately that isn't possible from current mainstream companies. There are alternatives to this many bike shops will build you a bike with what ever parts that you request. Parts that can all be found that are made here. Many shops can build you a quility bike that doesn't look like every other queer ass yuppy cookie cutter Harley that you see so many bad ass wannabes riding. Or the alternative is to step up and build your own bike. Fuck the factory and show the world what your about and not what H.O.G. wants you to be.

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  77. Hi Guys,
    I really enjoyed reading most if not all of the comments above. However, one point that nearly everyone has missed and is singularly the most important point: Image! Thefact that Harley's are way underpowered, overpriced, poor quality and handle like pigs is not important. image is.
    It's all about image, and that's how and why Harley have been conning people for years.
    Harley Davidson motorcycles have an image that no other brand has or is likely to have. That Marlon Brando rebel without a cause image strikes a chord in many of us. Especially as we age. The fact is Harleys rider demographics getting older by the year is no coincidence. The company is finding it increasingly difficult to attract younger more savvy people into the fold. Not for them the image of pot bellied, bearded bandana clad has been. They want a modern, fast, well built superbike loaded with the latest high tech wizardry demanded in other consumer goods bought.
    Most Harley riders wouldn't have ridden any other brand of motorcycle. Wouldn't know what a slipper clutch is, a launch control, radial brake, big bang engine etc etc. He or she is not a motorcycle enthusiast, but a Harley enthusiast who cares more for a sissy bar, apehangers, spiked bolts and the more cheap chinese chromed accessories the better. He or she cares not a jot where these parts are manufactured, as long as they have got the official Harley screaming eagle logo stuck or stamped on them. the same goes for the made in Pakistan cheap leathers, waste coat, tassled pants, bandana et al. What's more is Harley's long time cry of individuality and freedom is the biggest joke of all when most Harley riders all look the same. What a joke.
    It's all about image, and whether real or perceived it's a powerful thing.

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  78. Instead of debating it, go see for yourself - it would clearly appear that Americans are producing Harely Davidson even if non-core ( teh engine is the heart of the harley) components are sourced elsewhere. In this global sourcing age, little is completely end to end manufactured in any country - whether it be a Japanese, American or German product.
    What matters is where the engineering, core component and final assembly happen - and that my friends is with a Harley (as well as Victory and Indian) in the USA.




    http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Factory_Tours/york.html

    http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Factory_Tours/tomahawk.html

    http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Factory_Tours/kansas_city.html

    http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Factory_Tours/pilgrim.html

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  79. for all you idiots who are for harley producingparts in other countries i had a good job producing wheele for harley for 5 years now i do not dur to us penching pennies so i will ride my american ironhorse and you can destroy the economy and ride your dependable rice burners

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  80. Err... Actually the engines are not manufactured in the USA, but in Harley Davidsons Sao Paulo Brazil plant. A facility specifically built to supply core components to Harley USA. Cheap labour, cheap components at overly inflated prices and sold to gullible people. I don't mind paying high prices for top quality components, but paying high prices for components manufactured in third world countries really sticks in my craw. My bike cost as much if not more than most Harleys. But at least has quality components. ie: Ohlins suspension, Brembo brakes, OZ wheels and is dripping with carbon fibre. It is a Ducati, yet the sneers and snide comments I get from the typical Harley dumb and naive rider who wouldn't know a true motorcycle if it bit him in the ass is actually quite sad.
    By the way, all top of the line Japanese bikes are actually manufactured in Japan where the wages there are higher than the average wage in the USA.....

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  81. Dudes! Folks who have made comments on this blog get really upset! Why? Brand loyalty. The truth is that 90% of all Harleys made in the past 20 years are still on th' road. (The other 10% actually made it back to th' house!)
    lol!
    Ride What'cha wanna ride!

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  82. Wow. These comments have been a real hoot to read. We now live in a world of global economy- period, and it will never go back. That's what today's world information sharing technology has inevitably evolved things into, and in general it's a good thing. As for Harley, well my Sporty gets me to work with a smile on my face every day, never a hitch. I get waves from other riders of all brands and I wave to 'em all back, too. We all love to ride, we all enjoy that windblown freedom feeling. We are all the same, all having a blast. I cut my teeth as a kid on a Yamaha enduro that would go ANYWHERE. A smooth powerful Goldwing was bliss to ride. That old Norton Commando would get my heart pumpin' like nothing else I ever rode. Now, at 56 I wear beat-up Carrharts, don't give a rat's as what I look like, and I like my little Sporty just fine. It fits my old ass just right, is nimble and perfectly balanced for me, and has the stones to get me out of any situation quick.It's just plain FUN. And as a toolmaker I can tell you WHOEVER made the parts knew what they were doing. And if I ever sell it I'll get all my money back!

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  83. Insert overused, unoriginal Harley cliche here.

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  84. all i know i picked up my Harley shirt off the ground it says MAdE IN U S A

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  85. I own Yamaha's, Kawasaki's, and Harley's. I do not know where all the fuss is with who makes what or who makes who. We live in the USA. We are given the opportunity to make our own decisions and live our lives how we want. This also includes the right to fail and to over indulge and pay the price of bad mistakes. If you are complaining then find a mirror and yell at the image reflecting back. Buy what makes you happy and get out there and ride! It is about the heritage and the adventure no matter what you are riding on. Grow up and be responsible, give your children the best you can and teach them that it is not always about them. Be accountable for you! Dream your dream and be happy that there are choices. We could all be driving VW beetles and the president could have a funny mustache!

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  86. This has been a truly entertaining read, from the blind ignorant to the truly informed. My grandfather, a WWII veteran, owned a Honda Silver Wing back in the 80's. Before and after serving in the Navy, he rode and raced Harley, Indian, Triumph, Norton, Henderson, just to name a few. He loved his Honda, and maintains til this day, it was the best bike he ever owned. But, the most fun he ever had was his Indian 101 Scout that he still talks about (still alive and just turned 94). Where am I going with this? Being on 2 wheels and twisting that throttle is FUCKING FUN! I learned a great deal from that wise man with a 3rd grade education. Now, I am currently building a bike (100% roots up). I went to a Harley dealer here in the L.A. area and was turned down, and snubbed by the pompous sales staff, on financing a bike. I had a 50% cash down payment! Needless to say that my credit is fucked, but the way I was treated soured me. Mind you, I would have been turned down anywhere. I prefer a Harley power source, I have an engine, trans, primary out of 1975 FX (Shovelhead). I have been painstakingly searching out locally made parts (Made in U.S.A), their out there. Some of us are gifted with mechanical ability. because of that gift, I get to build exactly what I want (1 piece at a time). I do the best I can to keep my money local by going to swap meets and local parts dealers. All of the parts dealers have an array of aftermarket parts for both American and Metric bikes. Customizing your bike to suit your taste has lead to several innovations now used by major manufacturers.

    As for the ignorant union comments, it's unions that gave you 5 day work weeks, health insurance, fare wages (if your lucky enough to get fare wages) and the list goes on. I work my ass off and get paid very well for it. The nature of my work is inherently dangerous and I expect to be compensated. Clearly, not all (union or non-union) share my work ethic. Because I work hard for my money, I want my monies worth. Vote with your dollar and spend locally. If I see you on the road, I will look out for you. If you wave, I'll wave back (2 wheels or 4). If your stuck, I'll help in any way I can, no matter who makes your bike. THE RIGHT TO RIDE IS WHAT UNITES US ALL, FUCK ALL THE OTHER BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

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  87. Sorry Michel,
    It was Henry Ford that invented the 8 hr work week.

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  88. Let me get this straight ... over 5000 U.S. manufacturing plants close in the last several years because they were only keeping up with about 90% of EPA regulations, and now the things they were making are being made in countries that have practically zero environmental regulations? Do China and the U.S. have different atmospheres like Mars and Earth? Is the air not much more polluted with American plants closed? Sometimes i think people on the left, particularly those calling themselves environmentalists, are not nearly as intelligent as they would like to think they are.

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  89. Like music, the choice of what bike to ride is very individual. I have had HD sportster and HD Fatboy. I felt the sportster was a very poorly designed bike and sold that quickly. The fatboy was a great bike and I enjoyed it very much. Until I purchased a 2007 ZX6R (kawasaki ninja) and then understood what true engineering genius is. I recently bought a 2007 Honda VTX for $4,000 from a friend who just wanted a HD and wanted to unload it. I cant believe how lucky I am. What an incredible bike. I am 40, I am well off and I buy what I like. Both bikes are nice and quiet, do not shake, do not require you to rev the engine at every stop light. It is all personal preference. I do not feel the need to be heard blocks away so people will notice me. Nor do I wish to wake up people sleeping when I go byor interupt their conversations. I have a ford expedition that I love. A dodge Ram 1500 that has 238,000 miles on it and is awesome. a C5 corvette that sucks royal (always something wrong and no one can seem to fix it). So buy what you like, respect the other people and their choices. enjoy the feeling of the open road and most of all be safe and lucky.

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  90. The kind of bike you ride is as individual as the music you like. I have noticed the HD owners like them as loud as possible and they like to rev them at every stop light. I have had a HD sportster (Junk) and the fatboy that i thought was excellent. Well at least until I road a Honda VTX 1800. sold the fatboy and bought a VTX of my own and with the extra money I also bought a 2007 ZX6R Ninja. what fun!! the vtx 1800 is a 800lb bike that is quiet, does not shake the crap out of you and suprisingly is the fastest V-twin production cruiser built (as of 2007 anyway) not that I wanted the speed but it is nice when you want to pass someone. I am not going to coment on the sport bike as you would have to have rode one to have a frame of reference. It is like The demon drop meets top fuel dragster at cedar point. Both bikes have been issue free which is much more then I can say with the HD's I had. I like well designed, high performance, good handling, quiet, dependable bikes. And I want a lot of bang for my buck. If you are looking to be noticed and status, don't buy metric. Any bike is going to be enjoyable on the open road. do keep in mind if you buy a metric bike, it has been my experience when riding a metric bike to keep a look out for the HD riders as they seem to be the biggest hazard out there on the road due to the hatred alot of them carry for metric bikes. As Neil Peart wrote "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand,
    Ignorance and Prejudice, they walk hand in hand" ride safe!

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  91. Only a motorcycle rider knows why a dog puts his head out the window..the dog doesn't care what car he is in....he feels the same either way.

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  92. I have 3 Harleys, 3 Hondas, and 1 Kawasaki Ninja. none of them are made entirely anywhere. We have a global economy and the industries and investors want to make the most money they can for their investment. Good for them. I just want to ride. I have owned Yami and a Kawi Nomad too.. They did what I wanted, provided fun and a respite from the cares of work and family. RIDE ON

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  93. It would be impossible for Harley Davidson to keep up with the demand for motorcycles in this country if it was the sole source, and millions of American riders would be unable to enjoy the open road.

    Not True!

    Harley would be able to keep up with demand.
    But if American workers wages stay put, while everything else goes up whos gonna buy it.
    Not me.
    Harleys are nice bikes, But way over priced!
    If the Front suspension is Japanese
    and the Electrics are Korean
    and God Knows what else, Why are the bikes so expensive, unaffordable ?

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  94. Japanese Front Suspension
    Korean Made Electrics
    Foreign, too small for the bike tires

    Why do they cost so much ?

    Sounds ridiculously un-american

    Time to wipe the slate clean and start over.

    Pick a time in Our Economic Timeline, Go Back To it and live better again.

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  95. Frank Patterson you are a bitch, pure and simple. You think posting your name makes you a man or makes you tough? Or is it that you ride a harley and you are a wannabe biker gangster? Which is it? First off I call people like you internet tough guys because you can be whatever you want over the wire. You've probably never been in a single fight in your entire life. I've been shot 4 times and stabbed twice and I'm still standing and I ride a raider which will eat your harley for lunch. I'm man enough to ride whatever I want and I can afford to ride whatever I want. But as someone in this post said, I like value for my money. If you want to buy crap with your money be my guess, but you will spend more time in a harley shop than you will on the road. And for the record my name is Tony Cruz, when you see me kick my ass. I bet you won't live to tell the story.

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