Loud Pipes Save Lives

Now they're kicking around the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" topic on HDForums . This topic never seems to die, and it's only b...

Loud Pipes Save LivesNow they're kicking around the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" topic on HDForums. This topic never seems to die, and it's only because local governments are on the attack.

In this case, someone wrote a letter to the editor of Rider Magazine, and asked if there is any evidence that loud pipes actually saves lives. The editor responds that it doesn't...
The "Loud Pipes Save Lives" argument is a red herring, created to excuse what is simply inconsiderate and generally illegal behavior meant to attract attention. The damage loud pipes on any kind of motorcycle do to our image and riding freedom (not to mention hearing) is irreparable, while motorcycling can be made safer by voluntarily increasing conspicuity (e.g.- reflective, brightly colored apparel), rider training and licensing, and wearing adequately protective apparel.
I don't know anyone who installs a new exhaust system for the purpose of safety, and I agree it's largely a battle cry of motorcycle rights organizations. But I don't agree that it's a red herring. In fact, I do believe that it can save lives, and probably has saved many.

First, emergency vehicles like ambulances and fire trucks rely on loud noisemakers to get the attention of other motorists. So, we know for a fact that loud noises do get people's attention.

Second, I know this personally because I've heard the rumblings of motorcycles creep into my blind spot when driving a car. I may not hear it loud and clear with my car stereo playing, but I hear just enough that my conscience is telling me that the lane next to me is not open.

The fact is that the proof of loud pipes saving lives are the bikers alive and well. And we just can't prove that they're alive because of their exhaust volume or because of some other safety measure. We can only count them when they're dead. In other words, there's no scientific way to prove this without killing some bikers. For the editor of Rider Magazine, and I presume he's a motorcyclist, to say that this is a red herring, is being unrealistic.

Related

Loud Pipes 5482887329254607941

Post a Comment

  1. I simply don't get how people can say a louder pipe doesn't help someone being detected.

    Off the top of my head (and due to the fact I have said this to others in the past) I have been told twice by idiots who were big enough to mention to me at lights that they were sorry for almost killing me. They mentioned specifically had they not heard me, they would have continued their careless caging right into my ass. One edged out into the intersection as I was going through it and the other swerved over two lanes to get into mine for whatever reason. Hell, I even had a neighbor tell me that his wife almost cut me off somewhere but heard me just before she was going to turn into me (I didn't know it was her obviously - must've been more focused on avoiding death).

    As usual, I have to also mention that twisting the damn throttle just for the hell of it at lights gets old. I might have been throttle happy as a punk in my younger days but in my defense, I think most would’ve been giddy to have a pan as their first bike 

    Anyhow, there doesn't seem to be any gray area with this topic. It seems to almost fall to the same mentality as politics. There's no other acceptable viewpoint other than the one that individual possesses. That goes for me as well because I KNOW pipes have saved my ass.

    MM

    ReplyDelete
  2. Good Point about the Emergency Vehicles and their loud air horns.
    It gets everybody's attention.So do loud pipes when your about to get cut off from some idiot talking on a phone. The problem is the few inconsiderate bikers that find it necessary to rev their bikes at every intersection,stop sign and parking lot.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Loud Pipes Lose Leases. Emergency vehicles have loudass air horns that point FORWARD. I don't hear you until you're at my side or in front of me, where I can aim better. Loud traffic is a quality of life impact, your 'personal freedom' does not extend to detracting my quality of life.

    ReplyDelete
  4. It's a shame we can't have a open discussion without some individual that feels the need to insult and incite people. I feel sorry for you.

    ReplyDelete
  5. Great topic and you framed it well. However, l really have to disagree with you on this issue. I would counter that loud horns save lives and don't piss people off. Additionally, loud colors either clothing or bikes help too. I prefer black leather but I ride a yellow bike. The problem with loud pipes is that infringe on the rights of others. I agree they probably have saved lives but I don't think the anti loud pipes movement will go away. More cities are looking at the Denver ordinance as a model. Love you web site by the way nicely done.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Maybe #3 doesn't read user comments before posting. While that is not so much of a shock, it is expected.

    Had he done that, he'd have seen 2 of the 3 examples I cited had the cagers well in front of me. The 3rd was easily a car length in front of me before cutting two lanes over into me.

    Again, it isn't me pulling these examples out of my ass, the cagers owned up to it.

    This is one of the points I was trying to make. People are dead set in their viewpoint. No one else has a valid argument. While #3's view will never change, mine will not either. The difference is that I acknowledge there are some asses who frig it up and give citizens the chance to throw this into our face.

    While I get the abusive nature of twisting for no reason, the fleeting rumble of my pipes to those on the road, or those on their porch, is a trade off I am more than willing to take.

    Ya know what messes my with quality of life? Put down the damn cell phones and make-up. There's more people on the road besides yourself. But then again, that's not as polarizing as the pipe issue.

    MM

    ReplyDelete
  7. Loud pipes piss more people off than they help. Period.

    When people have a negative image of bikers, when they are resentful of us as a group, do you think that creates a safer environment for bikers?

    I would argue that people are going to be less inclined to pull aside as we split the lanes (legally here in CA). They are going to be more inclined to use the muscle of their larger vehicles against us. They are not going to make the distinction between the loud-pipers and the quiet ones either.

    Loud pipes cost bikers their rights and turn the general public against all of us on two wheels. That's why your fellow bikers get entrenched in their views.... loud pipes don't just make the individual biker look bad - they make us all look bad in the public eye. I'm not saying that's right - I'm just saying what it is.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Loud Pipes Save Lives, Maybe,Maybe Not,But as long as it's a well tuned Harley and not some wanabe imitation harley-saki or yama-davidson they sure sound sweet...........

    ReplyDelete
  9. Excellent comment Ryan. Well said

    ReplyDelete
  10. Just yesterday night I was driving a car about 3 am in some (unknown for me) suburb streets trying to get a friend from my girlfriend home, and I actually managed to avoid a crash because I heard a small 50cc moped coming fast from somewhere and I applied the brakes. The guy was a teen I guess, he was riding without lights. If he did not had loud pipe, he would have finished under the car yesterday. I guess that proves, at least for me, that loud pipes can save lives.

    ReplyDelete
  11. I'm an Arizona biker and here the problem is snowbirds not seeing and "not hearing you" I ride with a reflective vest and I'm now looking for louder than stock pipes for my Harley so I can be heard as well. After attention, damn right!! I'm all about attention so I won't get hit by people not paying attention. I'm only forking out about $700 for safety reason's only. Honest to God.

    ReplyDelete
  12. The problem with loud pipes is not so much the bike, but the a**hole riding the bike.

    Riders need to be respectful of the non riding public, the homes and famlies that they pass.

    Loud pipes saving lives? I'm not convinced (riding for over 40 years) and I use a horn on my Heritage Softail.

    Being a retired Cop, I've had a lot of cars and bikers pull in front of me when I had ligths and sirens going. One biker that my follow up car stopped had straight pipes and ear plugs. He claimed he didn't hear the siren. Then what about the flashing lights? Gotta keep the head out of the dark place when ridiing and it takes me back to my first paragraph.

    ReplyDelete
  13. ok, if some people hate my loud pipes and tell me to put baffles in them, thay need to make all the people with the loud pipes on a car or truck do the same thing. the "Pissed off weed-eater" noise makes me as mad as my roaring pipes make you. how do you like it when the shoe is on the other foot? I rest my case.

    ReplyDelete
  14. What an ignorant article. I kept reading it only because I was curious how far the ignorance would go. Maybe loud pipes save lives. It seems to me that riding a vehicle with 2 wheels would inherently be dangerous. Maybe bikers should work on improving their image before they press the matter. I would guess that maybe 10% of the motorcyclists I see on the road are safe drivers.

    ReplyDelete
  15. good for you! thank goodness someone believes in this. no, no, no, i'm not a bike rider, and the closest i have ever REMOTELY been on a bike was a sorry vespa, and that my friends is a faaar cry as you know from a true to heaven bike. but i must say, cruising along in my little putter of a corolla, i THANK GOD WHEN BIKERS HAVE LOUD PIPES. sure, it scares the living sh*t out of me, but that's the f*cking point, isn't it? that you HEAR the person coming. sh*t, this should be a friggin' LAW for all bikers to have loud pipes. i can not feel anymore passionate about this. yesterday, on the 10W, here i was in my car sitting in 2 hours of traffic. why? because a biker (and yes, i saw the bike and NO it didn't have a good enough pipe on it) got f*cking hit by at car, flew off and then was literally ran over by a big rig. all i can think of passing by was, "sh*t, i wish he had some "real" pipes on his bike... this may have been avoided..." i swear to no mother's end that the pipes scare the living f*ck out of me, but, sh*t, i'm glad for it! as a nurse that has done my time in ER, i've seen how bad, bad can get with these bike accidents, and i swear, because of experience on the road of hearing bikes when they approach, i always (and i know this may piss some people, who putt around in dinky little cars like myself off, but hey) say to them when they finally are getting discharged from the hospital, "get some 'real' pipes on your bike... i swear, if people hear you, they'll even SOMETIMES move over a bit..." i have a deep respect for bikers, truly. one of my girlfriends is a cop and she rides a bike with mothera*s pipes, and so does her dad, who is also a cop, he too has good sized pipes on his bike. my uncle who rides a ship size of a harley and is all of but 5 feet like myself, he has a bike that has some crazy a*s sized pipes... a deaf person once told me, "though i can't hear, i can feel when bikes with big pipes are coming, because i can feel the vibration around me..." come on people, if the deaf can feel the bikes coming around, the blind can hear the bikes coming around, then sure as hell people who are in cars that drive around will have NO EXCUSE to say that they didn't know of your presence, if you did yourself the favor of getting yourself some life saving pipes on your bike. aloha and i bid all bikers safe rides.

    ~kahealani

    ReplyDelete
  16. You know what? I am sick and tired of bikers telling me I have to listen to their noise pollution at 3am because they are worried about safety. If you are worried about safety, then use your money to buy a car!

    This is about ego and vanity, nothing more. You can try to dress it however you want, but I know douchebaggery when I see it.

    ReplyDelete
  17. So many people are outraged that their "rights" are infringed upon by loud pipes... well what about my rights to protect myself? I care about me not dying allot more than you not liking something! I don't like people that drive import cars, but I'm not going to rant about it. Live and let be already! Otherwise the guy in the Hummer should be complaining about all the unsafe little speed bumps out there aka Hondas.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Where I live we have to stop our conversation when Harleys go by on the street, and my house is 200 feet from there!

    Isn't it ironic that Hawg riders seem to team up in packs of 10 or more and take a nice pleasant ride out to a nice state park or out to "Amish Country" to enjoy the scenery, peace and quiet. Well it's ruined as soon as they arrive! The peace and quiet dissappears the moment these packs of riders roar onto the scene. But they don't notice the difference because I guess it was already noisy for them the whole day!

    I can drive my car while blowing the horn everytime I pass someone, surely nobody will cut me off, right? But that is rude, so I don't do it.

    The same goes for these loud pipes. They're too loud, they infringe on other folks rights, and gives Hawg riders a bad repuation.

    How about wearing bright orange leather jackets (oh, and helmets!)if you are really concerned for safety?

    ReplyDelete
  19. Listen to you pussys,you dont deserve to be on a bike. Make it loud because you like it. Fuck the families, who gives a shit about them, you weekend motorcyclist make me puke. What would george carlin say about this.

    ReplyDelete
  20. O.k., how "loud" is "loud" to most people? All of my bikes have modified exhausts and their performance has benefitted from this. None of them are loud enough to the point of ever hearing a complaint at a stoplight or a neighbor yet they sound deep, throaty and have cojones when opened up. You won't feel them in your chest, your skull won't split open nor will they cause your ears to bleed. They are tuned.

    Here in California it's legal to split lanes of traffic and, as traffic thickens, slows to a crawl and I pull out in between lanes, I often use the potential volume from my exhaust and blip the throttle to let drivers know of my presence.

    Having said that, I also have found nothing other than "seat of the pants" research to support the notion of "LPSL". This argument seems to made exclusively by owners of a particular brand of motorcycle also not wearing a full-coverage helmet, protective jacket, pants and gloves. I assert it's more a slogan of attitude than of fact.

    I regularly take riding courses (track days, supermoto, flat track), always ride aware and alert, always have my front brake lever covered with at least one finger, always am dressed for the crash and not just the ride, and all of this did not manage to completely enable me to avoid hitting a car that had pulled out in front of me with my horn blaring. The driver didn't look.

    If anyone is relying on their loud pipes alone to save their life... they're an idiot. They earn the label the California Highway Patrol refer to these particular riders as. Organ Donors.

    ReplyDelete
  21. O.k., how "loud" is "loud" to most people? All of my bikes have modified exhausts and their performance has benefitted from this. None of them are loud enough to the point of ever hearing a complaint at a stoplight or a neighbor yet they sound deep, throaty and have cojones when opened up. You won't feel them in your chest, your skull won't split open nor will they cause your ears to bleed. They are tuned.

    Here in California it's legal to split lanes of traffic and, as traffic thickens, slows to a crawl and I pull out in between lanes, I often use the potential volume from my exhaust and blip the throttle to let drivers know of my presence.

    Having said that, I also have found nothing other than "opinion research" to support the notion of "LPSL". Facts and research point in the opposite direction. The argument for LPSL seems to be made exclusively by owners of a particular brand of motorcycle also not wearing a full-coverage helmet, protective jacket, pants and gloves. I assert it's more a slogan of attitude than a principal of truth.

    I regularly take courses to improve my riding (track days, supermoto, flat track), always ride aware, alert and never under an influence, always have my front brake lever covered with at least one finger, always am dressed for the crash and not just the ride, and all of this did not enable me to completely avoid hitting a car that had pulled out in front of me - with my horn blaring. The driver didn't look.

    If anyone is relying on their loud pipes alone to save their life... they're an idiot. They earn the label the California Highway Patrol refer to these particular riders as. Organ Donors.

    ReplyDelete
  22. O.k., how "loud" is "loud" to most people? All of my bikes have modified exhausts and their performance has benefitted from this. None of them are loud enough to the point of ever hearing a complaint at a stoplight or a neighbor yet they sound deep, throaty and have cojones when opened up. You won't feel them in your chest, your skull won't split open nor will they cause your ears to bleed. They are tuned.

    Here in California it's legal to split lanes of traffic and, as traffic thickens, slows to a crawl and I pull out in between lanes, I often use the potential volume from my exhaust and blip the throttle to let drivers know of my presence.

    Having said that, I also have found nothing other than "seat of the pants" research to support the notion of "LPSL". This argument seems to made exclusively by owners of a particular brand of motorcycle also not wearing a full-coverage helmet, protective jacket, pants and gloves. I assert it's more a slogan of attitude than of fact.

    I regularly take riding courses (track days, supermoto, flat track), always ride aware and alert, always have my front brake lever covered with at least one finger, always am dressed for the crash and not just the ride, and all of this did not manage to completely enable me to avoid hitting a car that had pulled out in front of me with my horn blaring. The driver didn't look.

    If anyone is relying on their loud pipes alone to save their life... they're an idiot. They earn the label the California Highway Patrol refer to these particular riders as. Organ Donors.

    ReplyDelete
  23. not only people hear the pipes but that deer that was fixin to cross the road hears it and most of the time turns and runs the other way saving the rider with loud pipes

    ReplyDelete
  24. It seems to me the anger directed here at loud pipes comes from people that are offended by riders that are, in fact, jerks when it comes to thinking of the rights of others. Anything excessively loud, car, bike, lawnmower, leafblower, barking dog, is gonna piss of someone else. Simple as that. I happen to agree that being able to give my, louder than stock, bike a little burp when I am splitting lanes here in CA. does in fact alert people to my presence and the vast majority of them do give me a little extra room. Do my pipes save me from the guy running a stop light? Of course not. Has it saved me and countless others from getting tapped or squeezed? No question. As always people, moderation.

    ReplyDelete
  25. "There's no scientific way to prove this without killing some bikers."

    Use the ones who have already died.

    If the LPSL theory is correct, the rate of crashing / dying should be lower for people with loud exhausts than for people with legal mufflers.

    If the theory is false, the rates will be the same or the rate for loud exhaust will be higher.


    There are many things that have been proven to reduce crash involvement, and none of them bother other people like noisy exhaust does:
    * wear bright colors, esp. your helmet & jacket
    * use your high beam in daylight
    * take a safety class
    * wear reflective material at night
    * don't DUI


    As for noise getting people's attention, yes, it does.

    It's most effective if it's a _change_ in noise, which is why emergency sirens have so many different sounds. Get that change by using your horn when you need it instead of roaring all the time & blipping the throttle once in a while.

    Noise is also most effective pointing forward & being high-pitched. Noisy exhaust is neither.


    The most effective safety measure you can take is to use your brain. Look ahead, pay attention to traffic, don't ride in a blind spot, etc.

    ReplyDelete
  26. I forgot one of the more important points:
    a noisy exhaust does nothing for the 45% of crashes which only involve the motorcycle.

    And of the other 55%, about 77% (42% of overall crashes) come at you from the front.

    So at most, a noisy exhaust will have some effect on no more than 13% of crashes.

    ReplyDelete
  27. i've been a rider for years, and i've had loud bikes. i thought they were cool until i had kids, and realized what those bikes sounded like ROARING PAST you. you can't hear them very well when they're behind you, because the exhaust is in the BACK.

    so there i am in the car with two very small children, shrieking and crying in fear because of the monsterously loud bike that just thundered past, and i'm wondering to myself if that jackhole just gave my kids hearing damage.

    i've ridden a lot of quiet vehicles, like cars, normal motorcycles, and now even ride a SCOOTER which makes no volume AT ALL, and i've never had a problem being seen on the road. because it's not being HEARD that saves you, it's being SEEN. ambulances have loud sirens to get ATTENTION, but it's the FLASHING LIGHTS that tell you how to GET OUT OF THE WAY.

    mainly, if you're in traffic so tight that someone changing lanes at any moment could kill you, then MAYBE you should BACK OFF THE DAMNED THROTTLE, let traffic roll past, and GET YOUR OWN SPACE ON THE ROAD. that's how i've done it FOR YEARS, and i still arrive home every night to climb off of my bike and hug my children.

    and i do it all without DEAFENING everyone around me, at six in the morning, at six at night when i get home, nor at 2am when i roll in from god knows where - i come and go on my bike with practically no noise and have no problems.

    so mainly, these people telling me that "loud pipes save lives" have clearly never driven a car, because most cars make almost no noise at all, and people have been getting by pretty well with them. you just gotta LOOK.

    one other thing. these guys that love loud pipes so much, claiming that they're a SAFETY feature, are often the same ones that delete running lights, move their tail lights down and to the side of the bike (on the top of their side-mounted license plate rack), and delete their turn signals.

    anyone with a brain who's ridden a motorcycle should be able to tell you that being VISIBLE is everything.

    because being heard isn't any good unless the other drivers can see WHERE the HELL you are.

    ReplyDelete
  28. So what about all the dumbasses with the stupid loud stereos? Nothing is worse than some stupid douchebag on a cellphone, leaning all the way to one side, with their seat laid back. How about the idiots reading the paper, a book or searching for something in the car. If you want to attack something on the road start with that and leave the bikes alone.

    ReplyDelete
  29. This topic has some over used mis-conceptions – namely “I have the right to ………..”. It is not a Right to have a driver license. It’s not a Right to have a quiet Sunday morning. It’s not a Right to have your choice of exhaust. These are all Privileges – not Rights.

    As a Privilege, they can be taken away and they can be enforced or further restricted.

    To the point of this topic, you do not have a Right to have a loud exhaust. Saying so is silly. You can’t comingle it with “I do have this right, because it has saved my life and I have the Right to be alive”. Wrong.

    Having a motorcycle and license are Privileges governed by law. Now we have a SAE noise standard that has been approved by our Federal government. The States still have the last word with how they interpret and enforce the Noise standard and thus create laws.

    I believe this issue is an attitude thang and coupled with a complete lack of common courtesy. It’s sad enough that the Urban Bikers put loud pipes on to “conform” to the notion of what it means to them to be a Biker. But it’s sadder still when Bikers put on loud pipes because they think they have a Right to do so.

    Now with the standard and future State laws, this whole argument will – in time – resolve itself. Once there are the State laws governing the Noise Issue, then there will be little argument about who is too loud.

    The overly-loud exhausts, be it cars, bikes or car stereos, will soon become illegal and sought out. Have your play time and offensive practices while you can, because it is coming to an end and loud pipes will not win.

    ReplyDelete
  30. Who knows where to download XRumer 5.0 Palladium?
    Help, please. All recommend this program to effectively advertise on the Internet, this is the best program!

    ReplyDelete
  31. Motorcycle pipes point BACKWARDS. That mean the sound goes mostly BACKWARDS.
    Trouble is, most wrecks bikes are involved in, in addition to the biker usually being the one at fault, occur from the FRONT.

    Loud pipes do absolutely nothing for a car that pulls out in front of you. They can't hear you until you pass them.

    So if you're in front of a car....sure, they hear you. They can't hear any-damn-thing else. But if something happens in front of you, the pipes are irrelevant.

    ReplyDelete
  32. I really signed onto this "Loud Pipes Save Lives" meme: I have a 112dB foghorn on the side of my bicycle, and every time I pull up alongside a motorcyclist at a stop light I instantly blare it directly at his ears.

    You know, so he can hear me and save both our lives.

    ReplyDelete
  33. if riders with loud pipes are worried about their health and well-being then why in the hell do they wear open-faced helmets??? AKA BRAIN BUCKETS!!! this all has to do with "hey look at me!!! check me out!!! you like my harley??? yea its a harley!!! a real harley!!! im a badass cause i have a harley!!!! arent u jealous that i have a lound harley???" SPS (small penis syndrome)

    ReplyDelete
  34. Of Course loud pipes saves lives! I live in Sweden and we have deep forrests, with moose, deers, badgers, foxes and even bears and wolves crossing our roads. I see them all the time at the side of the road turning and heading the other direction when they hear the sound of my loud pipes. Last year when I had to put my stock exhaustsystem on for the annual test, and I was going home at night it was a real scare becouse these animals didn't care but just kept on crossing the road right in front of me. Imagine hitting a moose at full speed... Of course loud pipes saves lives!

    Patrik
    www.p-151515.com

    ReplyDelete
  35. I believe loud pipes save lives. I ride a large cruiser, and I believe that loud pipes make those around me aware of me. My pipes are not so loud that they break windows or set off car alarms, but they will make enough noise to let people know I am there. Maybe they would have saved me a lot of back pain if I had had them on the first motorcycle I owned; I was rear-ended on the freeway by someone trying to make an exit and not paying any attention at all as she swerved over doing 20 miles an hour over the speed limit. I don't care if it were to be only 1% of accidents caused by being plowed from the side or back, (and I know the actual figure is higher than that), it is well worth it to me to have some means (besides the bright red jacket that I wear) to make myself known.

    ReplyDelete
  36. I'd be interested to see a scientific study of this issue. The opinions of you, me, or every random guy on a loud bike aren't really meaningful when determining the actual impact on safety.

    I live in Maine, where there is no helmet law. Most riders I see ride without helmets. Loudness-modified bikes are the norm here here, and everyone I've asked claims that it's a safety issue.

    Riding a loud or ultra-loud bike is the behavior of a selfish eleven year-old child, far less tolerable in an adult. It is grossly anti-social, along the lines of shoving strangers out of your way, knocking things out of people's hands, or screaming in faces. It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with ego and machismo. I suspect that most every rider with loud pipes knows this, deep down.

    As for saving lives, I will say that a loud bike makes me want to kill the owner. So, to those of you who ride these loud and ultra-loud bikes, screw you. Just like you're saying to everyone you pass.

    ReplyDelete
  37. If loud pipes don't do anything,why are the egg-heads wanting to put noise-makers on electric/hybrid cars?Because noise,no matter how its made,makes people look around to see what is making it.AND KNOW THIS AS AN ABSOLUTE FACT---LOUD PIPES NEVER KILLED ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ReplyDelete
  38. By the way,Im not talking about open-pipe noise bullies.Just not the stock silencers that will get you as much attention as a prime rib at a vegan resturaunt.And you morons that think because the pipes face back,unless you are going over 600mph,you will hear it.However,I do think the best way to stay alive is to pay attention,be alert,ride smart,read the traffic.Know what the cagers are going to do before they do it.Don't trust your right of way ever!Treat every interaction as if your invisible.I know I am,with my "SAFETY-BLACK" jacket,black bike,black helmet,black gloves,black boots&blue jeans,maybe they'll see the whites of my eyes.Ride-safe,ride-fast,stay ahead of the morons.

    ReplyDelete
  39. The issue of whether they save lives cannot be truthfully answered. How can it be when all data relating to the argument is not recorded. If you are driving your car and start to change lanes and the bike in your blind spot blips the throttle and you now are aware of him, do you now call some agency to report that you had a close call that was avoided because you heard his loud pipes? The only thing that gets reported is the whining from people about the noisy bikers. Do loud pipes save lives? Sometimes yes sometimes no.

    ReplyDelete
  40. Our own US Air Force has studies (and studies in New Zealand) regarding Motorcycle safety. Wear a (neon) lime-green and reflective safety vest or outer apparel so-colored.

    Most bike riders think that they look good in all black garments, black bike etc. The human eye usually sees black as "just some shadow", especially when the mind is pre-occupied.


    As far as sound of loud pipes. The typical pre-occupied mind hears so many other sounds, both within their vehicle as well as street noises. Because of so many bikes with loud pipes, and the lack of ability to "immediately pinpoint the location of the sound", most drivers are instead perturbed by loud exhaust. There may be some automobile operators who will take the time to diligently search for where the loud pipes are coming from, however this is not, repeat, this is not the norm.

    The majority of people who hear loud pipes are so used to it, that they ignore it as best they can, making matters even worse.

    I know that there are cases, as many posts above illustrate. Just don't be so loud as to be making a bad name for all other bike riders.

    ReplyDelete
  41. This whole "loud pipes save lives" thing doesn't cut crap with me. I have loud pipes because i LIKE my loud pipes dammit, just like I LIKE my loud truck. Do I choose to twist it at every stop sign and intersection I come to? No. Maybe other people like to do that, but don't you come after me for what they do. I'll keep my rides loud, thanks, and if you don't like it you can piss off.

    ReplyDelete

emo-but-icon

Follow Us

Sponsor

Latest News

Sponsor

Hot This Week

Sponsor

item